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[dolypardon]

I read on several message boards that a the hustler boys at a good cruising area in Bangkok are asking the standard rate of 500 baht for a quickie.
What I don't understand is the fact ,that I read on several Pattaya gay message boards ,that the standard rate in Pattaya, for a quickie is 1000 baht. I would advise to stop overpaying the pattaya beach boys and start paying 500 baht for a short time. I think thats enough.
Is there any night cruising for hustlers in Pattaya as it is in Bangkok ? I get a little fet up with the bars in Pattaya.

[Jersey]

I also think that 1000 baht is a generous amount to pay for short-time, one hour, considering most Thais have to work four full days to earn that.

A one hour massage at the beach costs 200 baht: no sex.

Why should one hour or less in your hotel room cost 1000 baht ?

[francois]

I also think that 1000 baht is a generous amount to pay for short-time, one hour, considering most Thais have to work four full days to earn that.

A one hour massage at the beach costs 200 baht: no sex.

Why should one hour or less in your hotel room cost 1000 baht ?

Maybe because there is sex in the hotel room?????

[Gaybutton]

Is there any night cruising for hustlers in Pattaya as it is in Bangkok ? I get a little fet up with the bars in Pattaya.

I won't comment on the amounts people want to pay for short-time sex other than to say that 500 baht is pretty much standard if you take a boy from the Saranrom Park because that is what the boys themselves ask for, plus cab fare.

In Pattaya, there are no truly established night cruising areas other than the Jomtien beach area, and that's not really established. I don't advise going around there, though, because quite a bit of violent crime and theft occurs in those areas at night and it is quite dangerous.

You'll find freelancers walking the streets around Sunee Plaza, Pattayaland, Soi Day-Night, the Beach Road entrance to Royal Garden, Walking Street, and the stretch of beach sidewalk area between Royal Garden and Walking Street, but most of the pickups in Pattaya occur during the daytime at the beach, and Bangkok has no beach. Often the nighttime freelancers sit in the open-air beer bars without actually being employees there.

Whether the Sansuk sauna turns out to be a decent place for picking up freelancers remains to be seen.

[pattayaloverforyou]

G.B. I didn't think about all those bad things which can happen to you if you go on an internet date.

Is your dating site on the Gay Thailand board warning people for this danger ?

I better go to sunee plaza ,there for sure ,the bar boys are all registered by the bar owners , so its a lot safer to take the boys from there.

Thanks for your warnings !


I also don't think that the sanuk sauna is going to be a great place to be. I agree with many other posters that its not a good thing if you charge Farangs double for the entrance fee.

[luvthai]

The 500 baht (lowest amount that should ever be paid)short time applies to the boy that puts no real effort into making it an enjoyable experience. If the boy does try to please then he should be paid accoringly. If one is known to be a cheapo the word gets around fast and you end up with the boys no one else will take. Also if the boy feels you cheated him then you could be setting yourself for some kind of violent pay back. It wasn't to long ago that a couple were set upon by several friends of the boy and beaten up pretty good. There is also the possibilty that the boy figures he can rip off a phone or other items so he goes with you for a cheaper fee. All I am saying is don't cheat the boys and don't expect something for nothing.

[Gaybutton]

Is your dating site on the Gay Thailand board warning people for this danger ?

I agree with Luvthai's post.

As far as warnings on the Gay Thailand site, that has nothing to do with me. I am a moderator on the message board and that is my sole responsibility. I have nothing to do with the so-called dating site and I never even look at it.

However, similar warnings are posted quite regularly on the various message boards and people also have a personal responsibility to take precautions and use common sense.

[Snowy]

All I am saying is don't cheat the boys and don't expect something for nothing.

Sound advice. It's a pity a lot of farangs don't follow it.

There's a thread running on Sawatdee Forum where people are trying to persuade readers that paying 500 Baht for short time should be the norm. They are using specious arguments about the cost of living and the minimum wage for Thais as an excuse to try to justify their tight-fistedness.

There's an old saying that 'what goes around, comes around' (or Karma in Buddhist circles!). In this respect I'm with GB and totally support the comments in Luvthai's last post.

[Gaybutton]

They are using specious arguments about the cost of living and the minimum wage for Thais as an excuse to try to justify their tight-fistedness.

Unfortunately, there are always people like that, and they usually support each other on message board threads in an attempt to justify their actions. It always amazes me that these people can afford the airfare to come to Thailand, can afford to stay at hotels beyond any possible reach for the boys they take there, eat expensive meals, drink enough liquor to fill an oil tanker, and generally pamper themselves, but they can't afford to give a decent amount of money to the boys who are the very reason they come to Thailand in the first place.

I don't get it.

[pattayaloverforyou]

G.B. doesn't get it, what a surprise.
For us sexpats 1000 baht is a lot of money and also for the boys on the beach 1000 baht is a lot of money for some work which most of the time is no longer then 15/30 minutes . I guess for tourist who come to Thailand once or twice a year, for some sand sun and sex ,1000 baht is cheap but for people who live here day by day, those short times can add up.
My advise , give 500 baht for a short time, if its very good a little more ,but never more then 800 baht. Why 500 baht is enough for bkk boys and not for ptt boys ? Don't overpay, you make live for us sexpats in Thailand to expensive.

[Gaybutton]

G.B. doesn't get it, what a surprise.

It ought to be.

What makes you think BKK boys are satisfied with 500 baht? The only boys I have ever met in Bangkok who are satisfied with 500 baht are the boys at Saranrom Park.

What you don't seem to get is that these boys are not rolling in money, as some would have everyone believe. These boys have to work for what they get. They often go for days and weeks without getting an "off." If you're a "sexpat," then you certainly should know that by now. You should also know that it involves much more than 15 to 30 minutes worth of work. Even the beach boys have to spend days trying to find a "farang" interested in taking them back to their room. Quite often they spend hours trudging up and down the beach trying to find someone. If you think that's easy, try walking up and down the beach and see how long you last before you've had enough. And these boys are out there practically every day. They also have to spend money just getting to and from the beach, pay the beach concessions, etc. Believe it or not, every so often they'd actually like to be able to eat or have something to drink. Then, to end up with 500 baht? Maybe that seems reasonable to you, but it doesn't to me and it creates a hardship for them

There is a thread running on this web site on which people are saying the boys just are not as good looking as they used to be. If that is true, then ask yourself why. A drop-dead gorgeous boy is going to go to bed with an aging "farang" and walk away happy with 500 baht? I don't think so. And people can't figure out why there are less really good looking boys around?

I have no sympathy for the expats living here who complain that they can't afford to give a boy 1000 baht. You can try taking boys home with you less often or cut your expenses some other way. Most gay expats living in Pattaya are probably here for the sex. If it wasn't for that, then they probably wouldn't be here at all. They live here for it and, as I said above, try to justify giving a pittance to the boys who are their very reason for being here.

You're right. I don't get it and I hope I never do.

[pattayaloverforyou]

Dear G.B. you are trying to set the price...as most Americans do. Where ever they go they overpay and spoil it for regular tourists. Its a well know fact !!


Yes they sit/walk on the beach all day. The ones who have to walk all day are the ones who are ugly and on drugs. the ones who are handsome and goodlooking are invited the first moment they arrive on the beach for some lunch and beers. Then they go for a swim , play some volley ball and have another beer or two. Then time for a catwalk to show their cute bodies in there sexy undies. Sometimes they are even allowed to have a massage.
The good ones get a farang who sends them money every month.( some of them have 6 or more) and some even travel the world.
I wrote that 500 baht for a short time is a good price because most of the time you get lousy sex anyway.
I wrote, if sex its good you should pay up to 800 baht.
What is wrong with that.
Sorry that I come 200 baht to short to your advise.

[luvthai]

I agree with GB on this one and for that most of his posts. If 500 is all you can afford and if you can find a boy who is happy with that so be it. But don't try to set the price just because it is all you want to pay and expect us to follow your lead. I have and always will treat the boys well and have kept friends with them(some of them over 10 yrs) because they know I will treat them well. Sad that some think of them as just a peice of meat.

[Gaybutton]

Sorry that I come 200 baht to short to your advise.

You have a lot more to be sorry about than that. Even if one word of your post was the way things really are, and it doesn't even come close, what you are doing is writing a set of the most ridiculous, absolutely untrue reasons to try to justify being a cheapskate that I've seen in years.

[pattayaloverforyou]

quote:Even if one word of your post was the way things really are.

Does that makes me a liar?


quote: pay the beach concessions,


Oh thats the first time I hear something like this. A massage boy has to pay 20 baht I know about this but a hustler is paying the beach chair owners also,thats new for me.

quote: You can try taking boys home with you less often

I wonder how many short times you make a week ? How good of a customer are you for the sex boys?
How much money they can make on you a year ?

I myself do an average of two/three a day and if I should have sex less ,as you sugested ,then they even become more poor. So your sugestion doesn't help the boys to much. If I follow up your advise the boys become even more thirsty and hungry.
No I don't think that I am a cheapskate, I think I am one of the best customers who is still able to make sex two/three times a day and make sure most of them have a good income.


quote:Quite often they spend hours trudging up and down the beach trying to find someone.

Yes, but lucky they can do that bare feet so they don't have to damage their flip flaps.
and also for working clothes ( uniforms) they don't have to spend so much.
So its not as bad as you are trying to tell.

[Snowy]

I myself do an average of two/three a day

That says it all! It is a wonder you can find any boys left to 'service' your needs, at 500 baht short time, two or three times a day!. Unless you re-employ a number of boys regularly, there cannot be many left in Pattaya who do not know that you are the cheapskate you certainly are.

Don't try to impose your penny-pinching mentality on the rest of us who like to treat the boys as human beings and not as play things to be used to satisfy your lust and then to be cast aside.

[Jingthing(X)]

Excuse me, but if you pay them 100 baht or 10,000 you are still treating them like playthings. Sounds to me that the people who overpay are only assuaging their guilt over "exploiting" "poor" thirld world boys. Now I am not saying 1000 baht is overpaying, just saying its all same same, whores and johns. Own up to it, it feels much better.

One practical tip, if you think you would like to try to get away with only paying 500, it is best to get an agreement from the provider first that the price is alright, and don't expect stellar service for that. There is such thing as a standard market price, but what that price is is debatable.

[wowpow]

Well the world is an unfair place. Some - mainly westerners - are born with a silver spoon in their mouths and some unfortunates are born to extreme povery.

I see no moral difference in the Customer who uses and the Sex worker who is used. Both enter into the contract willingly - in most cases. Forcing person into prostitution or arranging sex with sexually immature and underage is obviously immoral and illegal. Most of the sex workers that I meet in Thailand have made their own decision to so do to make bug bucks easily. There are plenty of miserable ill paid jobs in factories.

Back to topic and the price for sex with a Thai sex worker. To me the moral situation is that both the worker and the customer should be reasonably happy with the amount for the service and anything agreed should be honoured.

Saying that anything less than X baht means you are a cheapskate or paying anything over x amount is being foolishly generous, I find unhelpful. The Thai habit of saying "up to you" does make it difficult for the newcomer to find out what is appropriate and some err on the generous side and some on the mean.

I have worked out what works for me. Many friends think that I am overgenerous but I do what I like to do and can afford and am still seeing some boys that I have known over ten years. There seem to be a whole load of reasons why people get so excited about this topic and I am no psychiatrist. Whether you tip a street urchin 300 baht or a top Bangkok escort 5000 is up to you.

[pattayaloverforyou]

Snowy,thats a stupid remark !
Wowpow thats a clever remark ! and I was thinking you could only copy and paste !

You don't get it, G.B. doesn't get it, you guys are to easy with your money or just don't do short times enough.

It may be a surprise to U, but I am very popular with the boys on the beach and in the bars. They know if they have me,they have a regular income. Sometimes I take a boy 7 times a week. I do this only if I can take him very well,!! ( I like to top them strong)( I like good service, I am a good customer) if he is not to expensive. Those boys have a very clever bizniss attitude and know very well the difference between a stupid farang who is here just for a sun sand and sex holliday and a regular. Some of my boys make 6000 baht a month for an average working month of 12 hours.
I think different. Thai people find Farangs who don't bargain stupid. Its up to U. Its your money.
But don't tell me I am a cheapskate!

[Jingthing(X)]

I think Thai people in general think people who don't bargain are stupid. But if you do bargain, there is a culturally good way to do it, and an obnoxious way to do it, and not everyone can finesse that difference. I would think for a long term arrangement with a sex worker, negotiating a bulk rate would be received well by many.

[TiTo]

I agree if you don't bargain you might even not get a french kiss.

[Gaybutton]

Does that makes me a liar?

quote: pay the beach concessions,
Oh thats the first time I hear something like this. A massage boy has to pay 20 baht I know about this but a hustler is paying the beach chair owners also,thats new for me.

I wonder how many short times you make a week ? How good of a customer are you for the sex boys?
How much money they can make on you a year ?

A liar? I don't know. Wrong, I do know. You're wrong.

Regarding the beach concessions, now you know. Are you under the impression that these boys get to sit down and order food and/or something to drink for free? They get billed just like anyone else, even if all they do is occupy the seat for more than a couple of minutes.

How many short times do I "make" in a week? Absolutely none of your business. However, you said you take boys two to three times every day. Most people do not. If you are paying the same boys for the same service on that regular a basis, and if they are happy with it, then I have no argument with you about that.

Wowpow wrote, "Both enter into the contract willingly." What contract is that? Most "farang" with whom I'm acquainted do not discuss the tip amount in advance. In most cases, the boys go with the "farang" and have to hope they'll receive a decent tip. However, letting the boy know how much he can expect in advance can be both a good and bad thing to do. It's good if the boy is happy with it and agrees to it. It's bad if the boy knows he's going to get a cheap tip, but agrees to go with you anyway. In that case, he doesn't have all that much incentive to perform as well as he otherwise might.

It's also bad even if he knows he's going to get a good tip. If he knows in advance the amount he's going to get, then he also knows he doesn't have to perform all that well to get a large tip. On the other hand, he might be savvy enough to realize that if he does perform very well, then there's a good chance he'll become a "regular" for you and can count on a good tip for excellent "service."

Obviously, there are pros and cons to letting a boy know in advance how much he'll be getting.

[pattayaloverforyou]

Don't let the boy know in advance, thats not good. That makes the whole trick to commercial. Its commercial enough already. It has been always ,UP TO YOU SIR !! Keep it this way !