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[Gene]

Ok - I am the first to admit that I am in terrible shape. I weigh 25 kilos more than I should and my waist to bigger than my chest or hips. I'm also almost bald and almost 65, which is hardly the prime of life.

My big problem is this: I get irritated when the kids at the beach come sit by me and say things about how handsome, sexy or "lubloh" I am. Are they blind ? I feel as if they are treating me like some dummy or mental case who might actually believe that crap.

I don't like getting conned by anyone. It's just insincere and fake.

Why do these Thai guys feel like they have to flatter and lie to us farangs about our looks when it's all about money and nothing else.

[Joe M]

It's just insincere and fake.

I like it none the less, especially when a cute smile delivers the message. I accept the message for what it is worth.

It's better than them telling me I am fat, old, and sexy as a dead fish.

[Snowy]

Why do these Thai guys feel like they have to flatter and lie to us farangs about our looks when it's all about money and nothing else.

You have answered your own question right there

[Gaybutton]

You have answered your own question right there.

With the beach boys that's most likely true, but believe it or not, that's not always the case. Sometimes they actually mean it. If you don't think so, just go to the Babylon Sauna. I'll bet that most of you who have been there discovered quickly enough that there are very good looking Thai men attracted to us old, fat "farang" and money has nothing to do with it. Don't ask me why they would find us attractive. I don't have a clue, but many do anyhow.

Wouldn't it be great if Punya's sauna is just the same in Pattaya when it opens? I spoke with Punya a couple of days ago. He says he expects to be able to open by mid November. He also said that it all depends on the work crews showing up when they are supposed to and doing things right. Unfortunately, the Thais have just as many problems with workers as "farang" do, but he is certainly trying for mid November . . . Happy Thanksgiving!

[Village Idiot]

It is all a game , so just enjoy it..
In the western world, salesmen tell old women that they can't believe that they are with their daughter and not their sister..
Some try to flatter men and tell them they can't believe they are 50 as they don't look a day over 35y.o.
It is just a game and many of us farangs tell the boys that they are handsome and sexy when they are
average looking..

Most overweight farangs get their guts poked and hear phom phuey from the boys..some rub their huge
guts or breasts and it is all in fun.. many ask how many babies are in the stomach..
some call us papa and it is not to be hurtful , it is just the way it is..

[Bob]

Use a little humor and get over it. My standard line when occasionally receiving the same comment is that we must immediately go to doctor to get his eyes checked. Once he figures out what I'm saying (if I have to.....I point at his eyes and say "dtaa mai dee"), I'll usually get a smile and little more reality.

[Prague]

No I think in Thailand boys do not mind age like the boys do in Europe. The Thai boys like farangs to make out with. In Thailand you are not an old man if you are 65. They do not look at age they just like to have sex. Thai boys like sex to much.
Here in Thailand they do not have that AGE stamp as they do in other countries.
I had many Thai boys who realy loved me.

[Bob]

I'm not so sure that a typical 20-30 year old Thai really has any more desire to have sex with 50-70 year olds than a typical 20-30 year old in any other country wants to do that. Thais seemingly have a lot more reverence or respect for the elderly than many other cultures but I'm not sure if you can translate that reverence/respect into libido toward the middle-aged and elderly. I only seem to hear expats suggest that.....and, in my view, that's a con that we pull on ourselves to justify our conduct.

[Hedda]

If people can be necrophiliacs, who's to say how many real chubby-chasers or antique lovers are out there too.

I suspect, however, that there are precious few young Thai guys who are legitimate chubby chasers, absent a comparably bulging wallet to go with it.

One of the problems with a place like Pattaya is the mindset that can develop among expats or regular visitors that it doesn't matter what you look like, because the boys don't care about anything but the money.

I don't think that's an accurate assessment of the sex scene here for most Thai men with gay testosterone.

[wowpow]

Thais see people very differently to Westerners. Fat = rich. old = wise and worthy of respect.


How much better to have someone wish you "have a nice day" and not mean it
than to say "fuck off you old fart" and mean it?

Please relax and enjoy yourself. If the most annoying thing you have to put up with is being told that you are handsome, you are a lucky man.

Your post has rather upset me as the boys never tell me that I am lubelaw so I must be really ugly and am definitely fat but I do have nice white skin and hair.

[mauRICE]

Thais see people very differently to Westerners. Fat = rich. old = wise and worthy of respect.

Now we're talkin'. Come on, I'm still waiting for that old chestnut, "Thai boys look for a 'good heart'." Any takers?

[Gaybutton]

Now we're talkin'. Come on, I'm still waiting for that old chestnut, "Thai boys look for a 'good heart'." Any takers?

Certainly not I. I don't believe in blanket assessments or clichés because they do not take into consideration that everyone is an individual and has his own likes and dislikes and his own individual motivations. To my mind it is a mistake to assume that every boy who becomes sexually involved with someone as much as two to three times his senior can only be going after his money and there is no other possible reason. I also think it is a mistake to assume that every Thai boy concerns himself with "good heart." Neither of those accurately describe the mindset.

I also think it is a mistake to assume that old, fat "farang" cannot possibly be attractive to good looking young Thai males. If that was truly accurate, then how do you explain Babylon, where neither the amount of money a "farang" has or whether he is "good heart" would even be a factor?

[liamog]

[quote name='wowpow' date='Oct 10 2006, 09:57 AM' post='1465']
Thais see people very differently to Westerners. Fat = rich. old = wise and worthy of respect.

I'm getting richer and wiser every year

[mauRICE]

Certainly not I. I don't believe in blanket assessments or clichés because they do not take into I also think it is a mistake to assume that old, fat "farang" cannot possibly be attractive to good looking young Thai males. If that was truly accurate, then how do you explain Babylon, where neither the amount of money a "farang" has or whether he is "good heart" would even be a factor?

Thank you for that. Of course, it all depends on how we define "good looking young Thai" and whether the handful of perceived exceptions, disprove the laws of natural attraction in a population of 65 million. Oh here's another "cliche" and "blanket assessment": Thais who are not interested in presumably "old, fat farang" (your words) are only looking for other Thais. I got this generalisation from a post on the GayThailand forum on the now defunct Obelisks Sauna in Bangkok:

"I'm not sure I'm interpreting correctly what you are seeking. If you mean another set of rooms adjoining a gay sauna, I doubt you are going to find anything better than Babylon. There are certainly other gay saunas in Bangkok, but they cater to the Thai crowd. I have never been to any of them because every time I have heard stories about them it's always the same thing: It's Thais looking for other Thais and the few "farang" that patronize them are largely ignored."

I agree with you. The above poster should have taken "into consideration that everyone is an individual and has his own likes and dislikes and his own individual motivations" (again, your noble words) instead of casting "cliches" and making a "blanket assessment" of venues that he had never even been to. By his "blanket assessment", young, blonde, blue-eyed boys with swim bods and hot Latino studs will be "largely ignored" at these Thai rak Thai venues. Here's the link to his post:

http://www.gaythailand.com/forums/index.ph...amp;hl=obelisks

[Gaybutton]

That's pretty good, mauRICE. What do you do, make a study of every word I write and then try catch me in a "gotcha"?

If you really see my statement, "I have never been to any of them because every time I have heard stories about them it's always the same thing: It's Thais looking for other Thais and the few "farang" that patronize them are largely ignored" as a blanket assessment by me and a contradiction, then you are certainly free to interpret it that way. I don't see it that way at all. I'm not the one who made that assessment in the first place.

I said I have never been to any of them because of what I heard about them. That doesn't mean I will never go and see for myself. It merely means that trying them is not on my list of priorities when I already know the scene at Babylon.

Would you care to address, "how do you explain Babylon, where neither the amount of money a "farang" has or whether he is "good heart" would even be a factor?"

[mauRICE]

If you really see my statement, "I have never been to any of them because every time I have heard stories about them it's always the same thing: It's Thais looking for other Thais and the few "farang" that patronize them are largely ignored" as a blanket assessment by me and a contradiction, then you are certainly free to interpret it that way. I don't see it that way at all. I'm not the one who made that assessment in the first place.

Yet, you saw it as valid enough to reproduce. And if you really see my tongue-in-cheek comment about Thai boys looking for a 'good heart' as a blanket assessment, then you are certainly free to interprete it that way.

I have addressed your observations re Babylon. And I have been there. I try not to rely on hearsay.

[Gaybutton]

I have addressed your observations re Babylon.

You have? Where? I'm reading what you wrote, but I must be overlooking something. I don't want you to think I am being sarcastic here. I'm not. I really can't find where you have addressed it.

[dolypardon]

No money no honey.
When I had sex in Babylon with this cute little army boy I tipped him 1000 baht.
I don't expect to get free sex in Thailand.
But I refuge to believe that a Thai boy cannot love an older farang.
( if you are not fat and ugly )

[BORG]

Do I love you because you have money

Or do you have money because I love you ?

(That doesn't work, does it ?)

[taikontai]

[font=Comic Sans Ms][size=7]The feeling of love is universal. It does not differentiate race, religion, look, age, health, wealth etc.etc.etc. But the very basic apply and we musn't cheat ourself. A young good looking boy be it Thai or whatever race he is going along with an old not so handsome foreigner, if he is poor he needs the money and if he can afford himself averagely, then he just want the extra for the fun of it. If he is bad he'll cheat, robbed or may be kill you, and if he is the nice guy he simply respect and symphatize you. Generally speaking he don't have love for you. Surely if he is normal he also if a gay must craze for hand good looking, young, mancho guys. It is we ourself, after being so old and worst still ugly, out of shape and not well received by those from our country but due to some little wealth or very wealthy status and suddenly we are surrounded by these young lads, we so forgotten ourself. Please I don't love you, but if you are a kind man I don't mind to spend some time with you to make our days. You lust over my body and I lust over your wealth.

[smiles]

" ... I have been following this board for a few weeks but only now have I mustered the courage to post. ... Go ahead, flame away! ... "

Not meant as a flame, but is the poster "zzz" aware that another member of many of the gay Thailand message boards also had the exact same handle "zzz"?
He was very well thought of and a thoroughly decent man (unlike myself and other decrepitudes ~ like Hedda ~ here), and he has since passed away fairly recently, and greatly missed.

Could there be any thought given (by "zzz-2") to re-registering under a different handle?
Knowing the fond feelings many have towards the memory of "zzz-original", I'm sure it would be viewed as quite a decent gesture.

No issue made of this. I'll write no more.

Cheers ...

[bahtstop]

If and when you decide on a new handle, in place of ZZZ, just send us a board message giving us the new name and we'll be happy to switch names for you without going thru a new registration. We'll send you a new password which you can change in "My Controls."

I never knew the late ZZZ, but according to Hedda, he was an accomplished poster. I'm sure it's a little unnerving to posting veterans to see the name appearing like a ghost among the living.

In any event, welcome to the board.

[smiles]

" ... I will create a new handle if I have anything else to say. Since you seem familiar with gay Thailand boards, do you know who 'taikontai' is; is he Thai? I received a PM telling me he's Canadian.... "

Thanks for this. It's decent of you and I'm sure quite a few folks other than myself will appreciate the gesture. ( If you're interested, you can read all of "zzz"'s posts on Sawatdee Forum by plugging that handle name into the "Search by Author" field here: http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/search.php )

As far as the "Taikontai" handle . . . a new one on me. But if he's Canadian I'm sure he's a good old boy, and will create no waves for this Gentleman's Board.

Cheers ...