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[Garcia]

I am not a veteran of Thailand sex tourism or an expat but it seems to me that the price of short-time sex here is way too expensive - compared to the regular economy.

A full days wages for working in the construction trade in the hot sun will get you 300 Baht.

One hour on a bed in a air-con bedroom will get you 1000 Baht.

Most meals cost much less than 1000 Baht, expecially in Thai places.

One hour on a bed will get you 1000 Baht.

A one hour massage with Lek at the beach, with him doing all the work, costs 200 Baht.

A one hour romp with Lek in bed, with you doing the work, costs 1000 Baht.

I think that sex rates here are out of whack, compared to most other things!!!

There;s no reason short-time sex should cost 1000 Baht in this economy.

[hajuthai]

Have you tryed one hour in Amsterdam? 6600 bath. Have you tryed it in Berlin? 6500 bath. Have you tryd it in New York or Los Angeles or San Francisco? At least 4000 bath.Have you tryed it in Marrakesch? You can be lucky and find someone who do it for 500 bath.
But if you find it too expensive here in Pattaya, stay away.

[TiTo]

Nobody tels you to pay 1000 baht.
If you are not that rich the boys are happy to give you a discount .
If you see a nice boy and you tell him upfront that you are only going to bed with him for a short time and that you only like to pay him 300 or 500 baht I am sure that most of them will go with you.
Give it a try and you will see for yourselve

[Dick]

I wonder what effect increased use of the internet will have on the going rates for sex. It might be a lot easier to negotiate a discount over the internet, if it's late at night and the guy hasn't done a trick for three days.

[Haloi]

A lot of retired expats live on limited budgets and are embarrassed to admit that they can't really afford a "night on the town" with dinner, the bars and sex very often.

It cans easily cost 2500 baht for the evening, which probably makes it the most expensive thing in his budget.

[UncleSam]

It might be a lot easier to negotiate a discount over the internet, if it's late at night and the guy hasn't done a trick for three days.

It's called the after-midnight discount. I used to know some Italians who would stand outside the bars at closing time and negotiate a rate with the guys who hadn't scored for the night.

They switched to computers.

Hehehehe......

[Gaybutton]

I disagree entirely. Are you saying that because other people earn less for their work, then a Thai boy sex worker ought to earn less too? From where I sit, that's a pretty good example of communism.

The 1000 baht is the going rate. If you try to get away with 300 to 500 baht, or start convincing yourself that it's perfectly ok to do that, then you are cheating the boys. It won't take long for word about that to get around. Some boys will refuse to go with you at all. Others will go with you, but won't give you much of a performance. By that same reasoning, perhaps you should consider taking a cut in your own wages because others are earning less than you.

The Thai boys see things a little differently than you do. They are well aware that most "farang" who go to the bars and take boys "off" came to Thailand in the first place primarily for the sex. Even if that's not true, that's their perception. They are also well aware that the "farang" paid quite a bit of money for their airfare, are staying in hotels that the Thai boys couldn't possibly afford, eating fine foods, drinking, and indulging themselves in many other ways. Then, those same people are going to try to rationalize their way into saving some money by cheating the boys out of the expected tip? Not a smart move.

I agree with hajuthai . . . if giving the boy 1000 baht for sex is too much, then either take a boy every other day instead of every day, and give him the expected tip or stay away from the bars. If you think Pattaya is expensive, try getting away with 300 to 500 baht in Bangkok.

Sorry guys, but if you want to save some money, coming up with reasons to justify cheating the boys isn't the way to do it. Try drinking less. Try eating less expensive food. Try staying at lower rate hotels. Do that before you try to justify cheating the boys.

[francois]

Welcome to Montreal, Canada. A lap danse cost about 1000 Baht for a no touchy, no feely few minutes. The bar boys want 10,000 Baht for "un rendezvous". Why do you think people come to Thailand? It is one of the few bargains left in this world. Enjoy it while you can and support the local economy.

[Bob]

Yep, there are lots of ways to look at it. But, to complain about paying $26.75 for a romp in the hay with a handsome (or not so handsome) young thai is beyond my comprehension. I'm sure you're a nice guy, Garcia,
but I probably wouldn't have sex with you for $10,000.00 (but, for a couple of hundred grand, I'll think about it!)


P.S. If you're under 35 and in great shape, I'll negotiate!!!!

[TiTo]

I pay 1200 baht for a short time.
I eat at manhattan Steak house.
I drink expensive drinks in the bars.
I pay also 300 baht off fine.
No my name is not G.B my name is Tito.

It seems to me that the big dollar rich( not so big anymore) Americans trying to set the going rates for an off here in Pattaya.

I have many friend in Pattaya who are not so rich.
They don't go to expensive gogo bars and don't like to pay the off fine.
They eat at inexpensive 40 baht retaurants,they drink cheap Thai Mekong whisk and visit karokee bars and beer bars.
They like to enjoy themselves also and like to have a boy also whenever that suits them.
There is a big group of boys available who have no problems at all to go short time for 500 baht.
Try the beach road were so many huslers are trying to sell their young bodies.
They are more then happy to catch a fish and make 500 baht in one hour.

Cheating boys, I don't get it !!!

[dolypardon]

I take boys from the beach and I pay nothing for a short time.

[UncleSam]

The 1000 baht is the going rate.

Was that part of the ten that Moses brought back, or was it the brainstorm of some lame-brains on a blab board like this ?

Hehehe.....

[pattayaloverforyou]

It seems to me that the big dollar rich( not so big anymore) Americans trying to set the going rates for an off here in Pattaya.


Uncle Sam are you from America ?and how much do you pay for a short time?

hehehe

[Haloi]

The 1000 baht is the going rate. If you try to get away with 300 to 500 baht, or start convincing yourself that it's perfectly ok to do that, then you are cheating the boys.

If a boy asks me for 1000 baht for a copy watch at the beach that you can buy anywhere for 400 Baht, and I offer him 400 baht, am I cheating him ?

If some tourist is dumb enough to buy the watch for 1000 baht, who is cheating who ?

We are all brainwashed into thinking that paying a boy 4 times more for an hour of sex than he can earn on a job for a whole day is "cheating" somebody.

There are a lot of older retired guys who can afford sex once in along while because rich Mr. GB says they are cheating the boys by paying 500 Baht for 30 minutes !!!

[Fatman41]

I say pay what you feel comfortable paying. If you only want to pay 500baht then do so, as long as you make it clear to the guy beforehand and he is happy, no problem. It's been awhile since I offed anybody, but find that in many of the bars, particulary in Sunee, the guys there will actually ask you to 'off' them and suggest a 500 baht fee. Speaking to them, they don't like such a small charge but accept it because they know others in the area will go with a Farang for the same amount. You may also find many guys on the street or at cafe's who will smile at you and stop for a chat and then will suggest that they go to your room and give you a massage and other things, many of these guys also suggest a 500 baht fee. Personally, I tended to pay anything from 1000 to 2000 baht, but that is what I felt comfortable paying and the guys I spent time with (for obvious reasons) were very happy.

For most 'working' Thai guys you do not need to wine and dine. Most, I have found, do not appreciate the more expensive Ferang restaurants, they prefer the roadside venues with spicier food, further, they mostly prefer to eat alone or with their friends than with a Farang watching on.

If you want more than an hour or so short time and can afford to splash out and give the guy you are with a good time I suggest.
Go to a bar and buy them a whiskey (or preferred drink)
Have a few games of pool
Go to a Karaoke bar for a few hours and have a bottle of Sang Som on order (they will manage to finish it if you cannot)
On the way back to your room ask if they want a bite to eat at a roadside eatery
Tip them a minimum of 1000 baht

If you go to the right places, you will find that an evening spent with a guy plus time in your room will come in at under 2000 baht (under $54 US / under 29 pounds sterling). I defy anyone to state where in your own country you could have an evening of fun (not just quick sex) for this amount and, hopefullly, the Thai guy will have had a good time and not bad mouth you to any other guys. Of course, as I mentioned in the first paragraph you can get away with paying 500 baht for a short time, but what do you do with the rest of the evening!

[Up2u]

I think some people here might be confusing the "tip" for go-go or bar boys with free lancers or beach pick-ups. The 1000 baht tip (the low-end of the range for good service) is for bar boys and 300-500 could be for others. Picking up free-lancers does have it's risk and I personally like to see a go-go boy's body and buy hin a drink before making any decision. I do know that you will not get a boy from bars like the Tawan or Dream Boys in Bangkok for 1000 baht (without a major protest).

[Sexpat]

For sure, the bar owners have a vested interested in keeping the price of sex high to attract boys to work in bars, rather than work the streets or internet.

As a old veteran of posting boards, I have no doubt that the bar owners use places like these posting board to spread propaganda that paying less than 1000 Baht for short time sex is cheating people. I dont accept that idea for one moment, and my sex life and what I pay for it proves it.

[Snowy]

I say pay what you feel comfortable paying. If you only want to pay 500baht then do so, as long as you make it clear to the guy beforehand and he is happy, no problem.

You have the essence of this problem right there. Pay what you can afford BUT ALWAYS AGREE THE RATE, AND WHAT YOU REQUIRE OF HIM, WITH THE BOY BEFOREHAND.

[Gaybutton]

I think some of you are misunderstanding me. I am referring to the amount customers are expected to give to a boy when you take him "off" from a bar.

What you give to a boy you pick up from the beach, Beach Road, or anywhere else is entirely up to negotiation. But, if I were you I would make sure the boy understands what you expect of him and what you intend to give to him before you take him with you. If he agrees, fine. You've worked out something mutually acceptable. I have no problem with that at all.

[toprogue]

FRANCOIS...............a lap dance with no touching is 350 bahts in montreal $10.00 can and if you pay more than 3500 bahts for a rendez vous $100.00 can you better change bars lol

[dolypardon]

easy way out to say we misunderstand

[pattayaloverforyou]

Not so long ago I visited a red light area in Nan province. Hundreds of Thai young boys were cruising this area for paid sex. The price range for a short time was 100 baht for a real young girl and 150 baht for a older girl.

That's the going rate in the Issan. I think I am moving ,Pattaya is getting to expensive.

[Haloi]

I think some of you are misunderstanding me. I am referring to the amount customers are expected to give to a boy when you take him "off" from a bar.

Gaybutton

What's the difference ? A 400 baht watch on the beach isn't worth 1000 Baht because you buy it on Beach Road.

Why are you "cheating" someone by paying less than 1000, no matter where you pick him up ? That doesn't make any sense, unless you are a bar owner who wants to fix the price of sex.

[francois]

TOPROQUE - Last time I was in Montreal the danseurs were asking about $300CN for a rendezvous in the go go bars. Even a few lap dances with some extra touching brought the price near to $100 CN.
Not like in the good old days a few years back. That is why I am here and not back home.

[Gaybutton]

Gaybutton

What's the difference ? A 400 baht watch on the beach isn't worth 1000 Baht because you buy it on Beach Road.

Why are you "cheating" someone by paying less than 1000, no matter where you pick him up ? That doesn't make any sense, unless you are a bar owner who wants to fix the price of sex.

There's a big difference. We're not talking about watches. We're talking about people. The bars have always had expected rates and giving the boys anything below the expectations is considered to be cheating. It is not a major problem, in my opinion, if you do not wish to pay the standard rate and you discuss it with the boy you intend to take "off" first. If he agrees, fine. He made his own decision. The problems occur when someone takes a boy "off" from a bar and never discussed with the boy in advance that he intends to tip less than the standard. The boy is expecting 1000 baht (and it's 1500 now in many bars in both Bangkok and Phuket) and then the "farang" tries to hand over 300 or 400 baht. That doesn't sit well with the bar boys.

On the other hand, boys who are freelancing in the streets or the beaches are doing just that . . . freelancing. There is no standard for freelancing that I am aware of. That makes it negotiable because he is not working in an environment at which there is a prior expectation. But if you intend to give a freelancer less than 1000 baht, then I would urge you to discuss it with him in advance and make sure he agrees.

It would be one thing if these boys get taken "off" every day. The average for most boys is three "offs" in a month.

Now, all of you who are coming down on me for telling you what these boys expect, why do you want to pay these boys less than the expected rates? Why are you trying to save money by depriving these boys, the ones who are the main reason you come to Thailand in the first place? I see no justification for that at all. The 500 baht or so that you'll save doesn't really cause you a major financial loss, does it? But to these boys, 500 baht can mean half a month's rent or several days of eating decently.

If that's really what you want to do, there's not much I can say that will convince you otherwise, but it seems to me that you are trying to justify getting away with something rather than being fair to these boys. That's the way I look at it and so, by the way, do the boys.