28 replies to this topic

[conrad]

Years ago, I think it was 1997,the age of consent ( when money involved) was 15.( Thailand)
Now its 18.
Some posters on this board and I guess specialy the ones who are frequently going to an certain young boys gay area in pattaya, wouldn't argue to have this 15 years of age limitt back.

Wouldn't that be nice ?

[luvthai]

As long as they don't do it for money.

[dolypardon]

and not with an American. ( for reason discussed a few weeks ago)

[Snowy]

As long as they don't do it for money.

What's money got to do with it?? Whether money is involved or not, it's still paedophilia or pederasty.

Those who want the age of consent reduced to under 18 are, IMHO, sexually deficient and morally bankrupt and are unable to hack it with a grown up 'boy' or man!

[Gaybutton]

Years ago, I think it was 1997,the age of consent ( when money involved) was 15.( Thailand)
Now its 18.

I may be wrong, but I don't recall the money-involved age of consent ever being 15 in Thailand's recent history. Are you sure about that?

[conrad]

dear Sir, G.B.

Well to be honest not sure sure.

I remember that before 1997 nobody made any problems for having paid sex with boys around the age of 15.
My first lover was 15 when I met him. I visited Thailand for the first time in 1974
Nobody was afraid and everybody was just fine with the young boys available.
Friends of me told me that after the crash of the Thai baht in 1997/98 the world bank told the Thai government that they were willing to borrow money to Thailand but that they had to higher the age of consent.

So far my knowledge about this.

Hopefully this answer will be of any help.

Good question.

[TheYenta]

You're both right. It's 15 - and 18 too !!! Read this explanation from Wikipedia:

"The age of consent in Thailand is 15 (with the below caveat) as specified by article 279 of the Thai Criminal Code. The current legislation applies to both men and women, although it is a common misconception that it applies only to women.

However, parts of the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act, which disallow any sexual contact with prostitutes under the age of 18, are widely interpreted by some local authorities to cover sexual acts classed as "obscenity for personal gratification".

Also from the Penal Code Amendment Act of 1997 Section 283bis, having sex with child under 18 is a compoundable offense even with the consent of that person. The parent or the child may file charge against the other side if he or she later regrets his or her own action. This ostensibly makes the Thai unfettered age of consent 18.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_conse...n_Asia#Thailand

[conrad]

quote;You're both right. It's 15...and 18 !!!


Was it before 1997 not punishable to have sex with a boy of 15 ?
Sorry I am a bad reader,still don't get it in full.

Thanks yenta for helping a hand.

[Hedda]

If I understand Yenta's post and Wikipedia correctly, and assuming tyhey correctly state the law in Thailand, then sex between consenting adults in Thailand remains legal at the age of 15, now and before 1997.

There seems to have been a change in 1997 that, if you do have sex with someone under 18, they or their parents have the right to file a complaint against you if they later "regret" the sexual act. That's different from the concept of "statutory rape" in most countries, where someone under the legal age of consent is conclusively presumed to be incapable of consenting to have sex. In Thailand, there appears to be no such conclusive presumption between ages 15-18, making it necessary for the child or parents to file a criminal complaint "after the fact."

The big caveat to the legal age of consent being set at 15 is that sex with anyone under 18 is considered illegal prostitution if money or something of value passes. Turning on the air conditioning to make sex more comfortable on a hot night might be all it takes.

As a practical matter, if you are a farang here, having sex with anyone under 18 is asking to be charged with a crime.

[Once In A Long While]

One wonders with the very large number of Thais 18 and above ( and even then often looking younger) available for a sexual relationship (paid or unpaid) why anyone would need to be with someone younger. Surely those interested in an age of consent lower than 18 couldn't possibly be pedophiles???

[Snowy]

Surely those interested in an age of consent lower than 18 couldn't possibly be pedophiles???

Don't bet on it !!

[conrad]

how old/young is to young?
I know that Snowy thinks, that going with a boy under 18 years old or having the desire to do , makes you a peadophile
I met my first b.f. when he was 15 and believe me , I am not a pedophile.
How old is to young ?
I know this has been discussed so many times but I do not think its fair to call all the grand daddies who come out at night and roam the streets of Pattaya's red light districts, pedophiles.
Its not their fault that the world bank called on the Thai government to higher the age of consent. in 1997.
So lets not call each other names but live in Peace in Pattaya ,the amazing extreme city.


All above has not been written to promote underage sex. I am guest in this country and if I like the age of consent yes or no, I will not have sex with boys under 18. I follow the rules of this country and my advise to all of you would say so.

Have fun.

[Snowy]

I met my first b.f. when he was 15 and believe me , I am not a pedophile.

That statement is only true if you and your b/f were of similar age at the time. I very much doubt it and it would be interesting to know your age when you and this 15 yr old first met ?

IMHO if there was more than three years age difference, i.e you were over 18 years of age (an adult in the accepted sense of the word in most countries) that makes you a paedophile.

However, I am glad to see that you say you abide by the law of Thailand and refrain from paying for sex with boys under 18. That is the bottom line and the answer to your question "how old/young is to young?" - abide by the law of whichever country or state you are in (however much you may not like or agree with that law).

[conrad]

for your kind information I was 26,handsome and a six pack and 7 plus inch or a little more.
He addored me and we had a great and fantastic relation. Once again I do not see myself as a peadophile.
There was only a age difference of 11 years which I think is not to bad.
If a man of 80 years old goes to bed with a man of 40 the age difference is 40 years.
thats what I call a peadophile.

No I am just joking,but I just wish that Snowy was a little less fanatic about sex with boys above 15.
Ok. we know that Snowy has some reasons ( a history) but that doesn't mean that we have to label people who like the boys a little younger then 18 as criminals/killers or super pedo's.

Anyway,once again I do not like tourists who come to Thailand to have sex with kids under 18.
I do not like bars who provide customers with underage boys.
I will not have sex with boys under 18 and I am very happy with the age of 18 or above.

But,bla bla bla bla.

next please !!

[Khor tose]

So Conrad. If you are comfortable with having gone with someone who was 15 why are you bothering to explain yourself? Especially to Snowy. No one else on this board seems shocked or is questioning your affair. I agree that the age of consent should be lowered. I would make it sixteen. I would do so because it is practical and more in line with what the rest of the Western World thinks. If a poll was taken of this board--other then Snowy--most would agree with that age. When you explain and try to justify, and then add you obey the law NOW, I think you are telling us that you DO have a guilty conscience about your 15 year old boy.

[Gaybutton]

So Conrad. If you are comfortable with having gone with someone who was 15 why are you bothering to explain yourself?

Since he is being called a pedophile, he is explaining himself. I don't see anything wrong with that.

We all have our own opinions as to what constitutes a pedophile and what the age of consent ought to be. Mine is that I believe the world, maturity levels of teens - intellectually and physically, along with being far more aware of the realities of life, have changed since I was young. Today there is sex education and sex is talked about openly. None of that existed in my time and I don't think much of it existed when the age of consent laws were set at 18. I think 16, in today's world, is realistic.

The bottom line, in my opinion, is that it doesn't matter what any of us think. The law is the law. But it works both ways. Gay pedophiles are attracted to Thailand partly because of the bars that hire under-age boys. A pedophile is going to seek out whatever it is he is trying to find where it is available. It is available in Thailand because of scofflaw bars and the authorities looking the other way. Nothing much is ever done about the under-age street freelancers either. My guess is there is a hell of a lot more pedophile sex going on than the numbers of people arrested for it.

I can't even remember the last time I heard of anyone arrested when he took a boy "off" from a bar, no matter what the boy's age might have been. I rarely hear about arrests other than when a "farang' picks up a street freelancer or is luring boys from within his own neighborhood and is turned in by parents or other neighbors.

Why is that? I agree with arresting those who break the law and engage in sex with under-age boys, but why is it rare to hear about arrests of those who make it available in the first place? That's one for my "I don't get it" list. When under-age boys are caught working in the bars, the bars rarely face anything more than a slap on the wrist, if they face even that.

These days the bars are being closed down when boys on drugs are discovered working in them. That's something that makes no sense to me at all. How is a bar supposed to control what these boys do when they're not working? On the other hand, it is far more rare to hear about bars being closed when under-age boys are caught working in them, and that's something the bars can control. Is it just me, or is there something wrong with this picture?

[Snowy]

I would make it sixteen. I would do so because it is practical and more in line with what the rest of the Western World thinks. If a poll was taken of this board--other then Snowy--most would agree with that age.

I would wholeheartedly agree with lowering the age to 16 - as it is in the UK.

However, in Thailand the age of consent for sex (where money or other incentives is involved) is 18 and anything under that age is classed as having sex with a minor i.e. paedophilia or to be strictly accurate for those who want to be pedantic - pederasty - (unless of course the minor is below the age of puberty). It is illegal whatever you care to call it and the answer to the original question of 'how old is too young' in Thailand is therefore any age under 18.

[conrad]

quote from G.B.I think 16, in today's world, is realistic.
quote from G.B. I wouldn't argue if they made the age of consent 16.

And now I am with snowy again.

Here another quote fom G.B:I can't even remember the last time I heard of anyone arrested when he took a boy "off" from a bar, no matter what the boy's age might have been.


G.B. are you trying to say, to all the sex tourists who read those gay boards...feel free to come to pattaya..the gay playground of the world,...with crystal clear waters and no risk to have sex with a underage boys so long if you take them from a bar..?


It sounds to me so different as the old G.B. who was so outspoken against sex under 18.l

What happened?

Are you ready to argue !!?? with Prada or with Conrad...or are you ready to close the conversation again with the final text...you guys are idiots, phony's, by george you are to Bushed for me,or like to end the conversation like ...you Trolls,you are on my ingnored button.

[Gaybutton]

Are you ready to argue !!?? with Prada or with Conrad...or are you ready to close the conversation again

First, nobody is on my ignored button. I don't use it. Second, you write as if arguing or closing the conversation are my only choices. I'll post what I please or choose not to post without concern whether you like it or not. I post when I wish to post, not when somebody tries to goad me into posting.

G.B. are you trying to say, to all the sex tourists who read those gay boards...feel free to come to pattaya

It sounds to me so different as the old G.B. who was so outspoken against sex under 18.l

If that was what I was trying to say, then that's what I would have said. I didn't say that. You did. I also never said I was against sex under 18. Show me where I ever said that. What I have always posted is that I am against sex with under-age boys. I don't get to make the decision as to what constitutes under-age boys. The lawmakers make those decisions. I believe that age 16 is appropriate for consensual sex in today's world. Until the lawmakers agree with that, then I still advise against having anything to do with sex with someone unless he is at least 18 years old.

You ask, "What happened?" From me, nothing happened. From you, you merely attempted to twist my words. As always from you, it didn't work.

The pedophiles don't need me to tell them about Thailand. Do you truly believe I let slip a deep, dark secret? I also did not refer to Pattaya in my post above. I believe the only location to which I referred was Thailand.

If you want to argue with me, then quote me correctly. An argument in which you attempt to put words in my mouth that I never said doesn't have any validity at all.

[conrad]

Dear Sir,

I do not like to put words in your mouth,but Yes I like to argue with you.

Let me finish my bottle of Merlot, and come back to you soon.

[Steve1903]

Which would you sooner describe as a paedophile?
Someone who has sex with a boy who is 18 but looks 15 or someone who has sex with a boy of 15 who looks 18?

[conrad]

Which would you sooner describe as a paedophile?
Someone who has sex with a boy who is 18 but looks 15 or someone who has sex with a boy of 15 who looks 18?

Thats a funny one.

next please.

quote from a friend:I used to have a boyfriend who was 18 and looked like 13, I was happy I was allowed to have my lusts like a peadophile but was acting legal.

Uh....no I am not a peadophile uh ?

[Snowy]

I post when I wish to post, not when somebody tries to goad me into posting.

G.B. the more I read his posts the more I am convinced that Conrad is the old troll Prada reincarnated. I seem to remember that 'goading' other posters was one of the attributes of his past life.

[Gaybutton]

G.B. the more I read his posts the more I am convinced that Conrad is the old troll Prada reincarnated. I seem to remember that 'goading' other posters was one of the attributes of his past life.

Of course. It's perfectly obvious. I guess he wasn't so proud-a being Prada, so he changed handles.

[Pussy]

G.B. the more I read his posts the more I am convinced that Conrad is the old troll Prada reincarnated. I seem to remember that 'goading' other posters was one of the attributes of his past life.

Conrad/Prada Dear,

If you think life in BC is boring now, wait till you move to Hua Hin.