In case you missed the news, the GayThailand posting board has announced that it will be closing in about two weeks. It's not clear yet to me, from reading the posts, if past posts on GT will get transferred en masse to become part of an existing escort service website. Some GT posters have objected to that happening.

http://www.gaythailand.com/forums/Gay-Thai...Move-t5764.html

GayThailand's main moderator, Gaybutton has announced plans to open his own new board after the GT board shuts down.

http://www.gaythailand.com/forums/Gay-Thai...Move-t5765.html

I was surprised to see how terse GT was with GB in response to GB's suggestion that posts of members who don't want them to be carried over to the prostitution site be deleted if they requested for it. Gaythailand's acerbic response to Gaybutton was: "Perhaps you can't read." Not a classy way of showing appreciation to someone who has spent a lot of effort over the years moderating your board.

The announcement states the closure of the whole website not just the message board. I feel sorry for GT,
because in the end of the day he represents the best America still has to offer: energetic and enterpreneural guy who is capable to create and add value and (along the way) do something useful for the community.
Unfortunate alliance with Gaybutton who managed to transform the message board into masturbation circle
for a small group of his buddies led IMHO to eventual demise of the whole enterprise. The silver lining here that hopefully GT will be able now to move on and get rid of this unnatural dependence on the monstrosity commonly known as Gaybutton-the dark and sad side of Pattaya.

You have such a way with words.

Thats also the way I see it.

Gay-Thailand wanted to get rid of G.B.

Last time the cyber police closed G.B. messages board G.B. was to afraid to call this police and ask for explanation.

This time the same will happen, I think its better that G.B. stops being the Gay Dictator of the Pattaya Gay messages boards.
I think he better becomes and active poster here over at the wonder full Baht-Stop.

I hope and I will pray to Buddha that we will see the end of G.B. moderation in the nearby future.

Please Buddha help us !!

Unfortunately, GB's new board is likely to turn into the same one-man show that his old board became before it closed. Toward the end, it had no regular posters except GB. That's because GB, no matter how informed he is on local gay Pattaya events, has this itch to insert his opinion on every topic that gets posted and when he gets challenged his short fuse and tendency to attack people eventually drives away all but a few of his personal buddies or some of the most boring posters you will find on the boards. Just look at the few nitwits and dull Jacks that still post on GT and you'll see what I mean. Take it from a 14 year veteran of many boards, I think that a guy like GB would be far happier and better off opening a blog where he can talk to his heart's content about gay Pattaya and not get into constant fights with anyone who disagrees with him.

Yes thats a great idea have him to open a blog.
Maybe he can ask Hedda to help him to open a blog.
Remember the Hedda Hopper blog.

It all seems so long ago.




Radiofreesawatdee

Yes, but let's not throw the baby with the bath water. I'm going to use that board for nuts and bolts, non-contentious questions on living in Thailand - the nitty gritties as it were - and stick to this one for cultural, sociological and political issues.

[quote name='mauRICE' date='Aug 1 2010, 01:51 AM' post='34341']
I'm going to use that board for nuts and bolts, non-contentious questions on living in Thailand - the nitty gritties as it were


Are you learning something in this respect? If you are interested in current menu of one of numerous mediocre restaurants , how to find a plumber or even who murdered one of the owners of " La Dolche Vita"
(all in Pattaya), yes, you can learn something. It is as if you are a part of conversation in Jomtien beach.
I, by the way, see nothing wrong with beach gossip. It is when it is raised to the level of open public forum (as something of importance) it gets totally ridiculus. I do not read forums like SF or tingtong (or say pattaya passion when it was operational). Thus for me it is another message board which I can safely skip.
GT website has much broader international membership and that influenced the message board. If there was something interesting in that message board, it is not because of Gaybutton and small group of his cronies ( I would make exception for Rich LB) but inspite of it.

The new Gaybutton board is already up and running. In case you wondered if this new GB board will have a new, kinder and gentler approach to moderating than his previous board, it doesn't look that way:

New Poster: "I can only hope that this forum, unlike others, does not become a horrid little window into a universe of ignorance, snide innuendo, dark prejudice, buffoonery, puffery, and name dropping."

Gaybutton: "Believe me, there's no chance whatsoever of that happening. I do run my board with a heavy hand and I have no intention of letting the trolls in at all. Even on the Gay Thailand board, on which I did my best to comply with GT's wishes, and he is infinitely more patient than I, I still would usually warn only once.

I think we are all well aware of the kinds of people who have taken over certain other boards. No way here. I simply don't put up with it and I'm not going to sit idly by and force legitimate board users to have to wade through a bunch of crap before they can find posts worth reading. I often get called a 'control freak' for doing things that way. I agree. Those are the freaks that need controlling."

http://gaybuttonthai.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=18

I don't quite understand why you particularly care. If you don't like a board's moderating style, don't go there. Bitching about it here is rather pedestrian.

Many, including myself, happen to like some level of moderation as it tends to eliminate the few morons that color and disrupt a given board.

Sure, especially when other people's posts are randomly deleted to accommodate yours.

Huh? Nobody's deleted any posts anywhere to accommodate me. And I doubt if any post was "randomly" deleted (quite intentional would be my guess).

Bob on this board yesterday:

Same Bob on the new GB board yesterday:

Maybe Bob can identify those "two other boards" whose moderators he finds so unsatisfactory and explain why he seems to think it's Ok to bitch about those boards on GB's board. Maybe he can also explain why he doesn't practice what he preaches and stops posting on boards he finds so objectionable when it comes to moderating.

This is going to be the first time G.B. doesn't reply on a topic about himself.
Finanly he understand that a board moderator and now even a Message board owner should be gentle and behave himself on other forums.
I am sure we will almost see and hear nothing about G.B. on this forum.
This is a day to celebrate.
Lets have fun and see how his new forum works out.
Would you think that if they allow LMTU to come back ,they allow Loeploh and Nalac also ?

It's pretty clear that Bob was targeting Sawatdee Forum and Bahtstop, both of which he regularly posts, in his criticism of the moderators. As one of the most veteran posters on SF and Pattayagay before that, he's also on record a hundred times as saying that an owner has the right to operate his board as he sees fit and if you don't like it, don't visit the site. Obviously, Bob can post what he wants where he wants, but using GB's new board to take a cheap shot like that against boards Bob has visited and posted strikes me as bad form by a very ungrateful guest.

Get off it, Dick, and save your indignation for the few morons that roam these halls (which, I notice, has never been forthcoming).

What I said on the other board (in response to someone noting that there were some harsh comments being posted on other unnamed boards) was:
"Those "harsh" comments, by and large, emanate from posters you'd generally not want on any board and who have found safe refuge on two other boards due to a lack of any reasonable (or even unreasonable) moderation. "

A rather accurate statement in my view.

As does Bob's response to Dick, which is no response at all since he totally avoids the issue of why he thought it acceptable to criticize the Bahtstop's moderators on GB's new board, something he always criticize people for doing here. Clearly Bob is applying a double standard to himself.

Bob, you also ignore the fact that 95% of the post here have nothing to do with the people you choose to call "idiots" and it's a simply matter to avoid the threads that they originate and that you don't care to read. It's not like SF, where the same people are constantly inserting their personal attacks in every thread, no matter how it start off, and the thread degenerates into personal insults. That doesn't happen here, so there's no reason for moderators to do anything. What you really are calling for is for people you don't like as posters to be banned. Thankfully, this board doesn't accept that kind of internet censorship.

Dolly, there's a difference between personally attacking a moderator and criticizing a board for lack of moderation.

As to your comment about threads degenerating into personal insults elsewhere, you're absolutely right - and it's happening due to no reasonable moderation. But (admittedly to a lesser degree) it happens right here in river city.

(Although no big deal at all - and this is said to avoid confusion by Dick - you apparently quoted me while I was in the process of editing my comments)

Just apply this advice to yourself and fuck off. Nobody wants you over here.

Ah, the resident genius speaks.

Bob, I have the following people on ignore and would appreciate it if you would refrain from quoting their inane drivel. Prague-prada-pussy-poppy-lasalle-leopold-yesiam. I am sure this is only one or two people at the most as this web sites allows hydras as long as they agree with the majority opinions.

Forgive me if I have misunderstood your position, but that post of yours, although provoked, is just the kind of personal comment that you seem to think should be the subject of moderator intervention. You seem to want your cake and throw it too.

Khor-tose has posters on his ingnore list who never post.
How stupid can you be !
Who the fuck are prada-lasalle-prague-poppy ?
I know YeSiam thats Yesitsme but I do not know Pussy and I do not know Leoplod.

Wrong again, moron. I've been enjoying reading all these post from people so completely obsessed with everything I do and every word I write. You and the usual suspects are already trying to chop apart my new board. Maybe you don't post on it, but it's perfectly obvious you all are reading it. Exactly what I expected. And thanks for all the free advertising.



Apparently he's not stupid enough to think the way you do. You're so incredibly moronic that you actually think you have anyone fooled considering that you are all of the above and a few other names too.

Remember that little truce you wanted about me posting here? I said, and meant, that I probably would not post here if the insults stopped. I didn't start any of them. You and some of the other obsessed here started with your latest round of insults. You're the ones who chose to do that. So, if you don't want me here, you have no one to blame but yourselves. I kept my end of the bargain. You didn't.

[quote name='Khor tose' date='Aug 3 2010, 03:43 PM' post='34402']
Bob, I have the following people on ignore and would appreciate it if you would refrain from quoting their inane drivel. [/quo
Indeed, Bob! That would be great. Comatose described all people you are interacting with. By refraining from quoting their inane drivel, you would loose the ability to post here and that is exactly what I want.

I am always amazed at the people who get so upset that there are posters allowed to pose who they consider "trolls." To me, it's a mark of immaturity if you are not able to ignore the 5% of posters you may not enjoy here and content yourself with enjoying the other 95% which have a lot to offer. If you think that free speech is a valuable commodity most everywhere, then you can't have it both ways by urging moderators to censor posters you don't happen to like.

One of the things that's not discussed in this thread is that none of the harsh language and banter about Gaybutton would be posted here if it wasn't for GB's propensity to delete posts, ban or "over-moderate" posters that he considers "morons, freaks or trolls."

If GB had the ability and willingness to let people let off steam on his own board without going ballistic in his responses, these threads would never have a reason to start here. The reason that some come here to complain is that GB harasses or stops them from complaining there. The irony is that he and a few of his supporters don't hesitate to come here to post heated language that they wouldn't allow to be discussed there. Much of the name calling that GB posts here would be banned by GB there. How's that for consistency ?

You stole the words right from my keyboard. When you run a posting board like a southern Baptist sunday school expelling "heretics," people will look for other places to vent their frustration. GB has critics because there is something to criticize in his intolerance of people he lables as "freaks," and that's what you are seeing in the few threads that recently sprung up here. You don't see posters from SF coming here to bitch about the moderators there. Why? Because they can complain on their own board and not get booted or banned. Maybe if GB lightened up and stopped giving sppeches about how tough he is on "trolls," these guys wouldn't have to come here to have a voice.

They could also shut up. Are you looking for consistency? First, where is it written that I have to be consistent about anything? And you're right. No way would I ever allow these kinds of posts on a board I run. I wouldn't even have to bother. Hell would freeze over before I would ever even consider letting some of these people post on a board I run. But I post these kinds of things here because on this board it's allowed. You don't like it? Too bad. Then don't start attacking me and expect me not to respond - whenever I feel like it. Take your complaints to the moderators.

Meanwhile, once again while you're all having a wonderful time going on and on about how terrible I am, are any of you planning to at least say something to the posters who start these threads in the first place? I'd die from the shock if I ever see that on this board. And you have the gall to even mention consistency.

According to the latest news, GayThailand board has been sold and will continue in operation, but without Gaybutton as moderator, since he now has his own board.

http://www.gaythailand.com/forums/Gay-Thai...STAY-t5779.html

who wants to buy a new board with G.B. as a moderator.

Jo must be joking.

A board with G.B. as a mod. has zero value. hehehe.

I wouldn't be surprised if the whole board closure/sale was a ruse to diplomatically get rid of Gaybutton who was clearly becoming a liability for the forum. The new owners (if indeed there are new owners) probably didn't want GB on board when they took over, pardon the pun. GT obviously didn't want GB on his male escort site as a moderator because GB would drive all his paying customers away with his abrasive style. Me must have also surmised, correctly, that some members wouldn't be comfortable posting on an escort site. And GB simply can't participate on any board where he can't rule and cut out dissenting opinions! GT knew GB would be forced to start his own board surrounded by his usual yes-men. The plan worked brilliantly; GB started his own board and a few days later GT announces that everything was back to normal at Gaythailand.

Very smooth, GT.

Having registered for the new Gaybutton message board and read many of the posts then, yes, I suppose what could be called yes-men are certainly there, but so are a whole load of others, including a lot of names unknown to me, together with some posters who've had run-ins with Gaybutton in the past. In what is almost certainly the lull before the storm (and let's face it, it is inevitable someone will rock the boat sooner or later, by dipping his toe in the water to test the moderator's mettle) I would say the early signs are looking good. Gaybutton himself has said how surprised he is to see so many flocking to his banner. Surely Gaybuttonthai and Gay Thailand can function harmoniously - I see no reason why not.

Last time I checked on Gaybuttonthai, one of the mods on Gay Thailand, the well-respected z909, had not registered. That may well be of no significance. On the other hand, he is being urged to stay as mod on Gay Thailand forum. If so, and assuming he is willing, he will have positioned himself to be in the running for chief moderator of that board, unless the new owner has his own candidate - rather unlikely IMO. If my hunch is right, my impression is z909 has learnt fast and will make an excellent chief moderator in the best Gaybutton tradition.

So wither Baht-Stop? Well, as neither Gay Thailand, nor Gaybuttonthai so far, have shown much inclination to attract many political postings (apart from major issues such as that involving the Yellow / Red shirts) it can safely continue to major on the Thai political scene (say 70%), with roughly 20% miscellaneous postings and the remaining 10% bringing up the rear being the preserve of the more contentious 'look at me' or occasional downright malicious postings. IMO a lot of this 10% of hogwash are a cyber version of a cry for help - unbalanced minds crying in the wilderness.

As long as I drive people like you away, I'm happy. Is that abrasive enough for you?


Actually, yes he did. He registered under a different user name, 'Jun.' If anyone doesn't believe that, send him a PM and ask.

Thanks for the clarification. I admit to being caught out there. I had good reason to be confident my observation was correct as to the best of my knowledge z909 has, until now, used the same user name on all the boards of which he has been a registered member.

I don't have a problem with that, Rogie. I'm just wondering why you would have thought that was anyone else's business and needed to be posted, especially on this board where few have anything to say about me or my board unless it's a put-down.

From among the ridiculous posts I've seen on this board, yours ought to get a prize for stupidity. GT and I are in constant communication. If he wanted to "get rid" of me, do you actually believe he needed to resort to some sort of ruse? All he ever would have had to do would be to ask me to step down or he simply could have cut my moderator status. He did neither. Has it occurred to you that I can still post on that board as always? Has it occurred to you that if I change my mind and want to be given moderator status again he would do it in a heartbeat?

Do you truly believe that GT had to go through an elaborate ruse knowing I might not take the bait, along with upsetting a lot of people who didn't like the idea of their posts winding up on an escort board, just to get rid of me when he could easily have done that at the click of a button whether I like it or not? Are you actually that stupid or just pretending to be?

Big, fat brother watching you, Rogie...

Now, this is really scary... Not only you are back but GayThailand is in charge despite "selling" the site...

I love the fact that topics about GayButton and GayThailand get so many responses on this board. I guess we win the popularity contest. Thank you all.

To clear up a few things. The site is sold. I am still in charge this week. The new owners will take over fully next week.

GayButton resigned on his own. He was not asked to resign. He was welcome to stay on as a Moderator. He chose not to stay not having a personal relationship with the new owners.

GayButton and I have not had a cross word through any of this. A sale of the site has been discussed between he and I for over 4 months. He knew this was a possibility. I asked for his advice early on. He gave it. He suggested that the move of the site to an escort site was not acceptable. He was right. I was wrong. Give him a break. He had always counseled me with good advice. More than that, he is a friend. If I thought loosing him as friend would be the result of the sale, I would have simply not sold the site. Money is not as important to me as good friends are.

I have yet to understand why he is as hated on this board as he is. I think it is jealousy. I think there are those on this site that know he is much wiser that 99 percent of posters on these boards. He freely gives that information on all the boards. He should be loved and admired and not put down every time his name is mentioned. I see that even some of his critics are posting on his board. I expect that it will become one of the most popular boards about Thailand and will far surpass this and other boards (except GayThailand.com of course).

I have no desire to keep posting on this topic on this site. So, I'll sum it up like this:

For those of you not in the know, you don't know shit.

I disagree. Shit is all they know and it's definitely bullshit. I may not be as unpopular on this board as it may appear. I've already caught one genius who consistently posts attack messages who is actually posting with at least five user names, probably more. As I keep saying, that utter moron isn't fooling anyone except for other fools. The best laugh is he actually thinks he is important to this board. It's an even better laugh that he thinks he is important at all anywhere. The real question is would this board be better with him or without him? The answer is obvious. That's why I would never even consider letting him on Gay Thailand and he sure as hell won't be allowed on my board.

Geez, GT, not so nice to confuse the ruminations of the genuises with actual facts. What's a bit telling about this locale is this thread received more replies that any other post since the same geniuses were "wishing" GB a happy birthday. My continuing thanks to you, GB, and Oogie for now allowing them to infest the other boards.

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You can always count on Bob.

YeSiam thinking of going on a holliday for a while.
Its was a pleasure posting on this forum.
See you guys.

and. G.B. I wish you all the best with your new forum.

Before you get too carried away with the significance of the number of responses, just consider that the most popular hits among Facebook followers is Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta, also known as Lady Gaga, whose at last word was over four million hits ahead of the second most popular internet persona on Facebook, President Obama.

There's no doubt that GayButton is a controversial figure because of his "hands on" style of moderating, and his frequently stated willingness to delete a post or ban a poster, if that's what he thinks is necessary to prove it.

What I don't understand is why GB is willing to post and reply to things here that he says he would never tolerate on his own board ? If he finds them so offensive on his own board, why come here to do the same thing ? Shouldn't you practice what you preach ? Maybe GB is himself to blame for helping to sow the ground for these threads by not allowing people to blow off steam on his own board, while eagerly jumping into the "dumbing down" process when it starts here.

No.

You missed your calling. You should be helping Abhisit jail the red shirts.

Your directions have been received, comrade General Secretary....

'Quote'
The Yenta
Shouldnt you practice what you preach?

GB
NO

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Gay Thailand (Re GB)
I have yet to understand why he is so hated etc! He should be loved and admired!



GT

All I would add to this is your sure glad that he is no longer a member of the Moderation Team on GT.
Lets face it, when he is surrounded with people saying he is the" best thing since sliced bread", he will continue this ATTITUDE he has.